Cooperative Rivalry
The trade conflict launched by the Donald Trump administration against China in 2018 has pushed China-U.S. relations into a corner.However, U.S. political scientist and professor at Harvard University Joseph S. Nye, believes cooperation is far more important for the two countries. In a recent exclusive interview with Wang Xiaohui,Editor-in-Chief of China.org.cn, Nye shared his views on the current relationship between the world’s top two economies. An edited excerpt of the interview follows:
Political scientist and Harvard professor Joseph S. Nye speaks during an exclusive interview with China.org.cn in Beijing on January 10
Wang Xiaohui: What is your view on the current state of U.S.-China relations?
Joseph Nye: Well, we’re going through a difficult time in U.S.-China relations.People focus a lot on the trade war and the question of whether we will find some agreement on these trade issues. But it’s actually deeper than that. If Hillary Clinton had won (the U.S. presidency), there would still be difficulties. In other words, it’s not just Donald Trump who is the problem.Trump has made things worse, but there’s a feeling among both Republicans and Democrats in Washington that China has not played fair, that there hasn’t been real reciprocity. So that was there before him.Trump essentially is like a man who came along, saw a burning fire, and poured gasoline on it. So it’s flaring up now, but the fire would have been there anyway.
Some people say that China and the U.S.are locked in a trade war, a cold war, and some people even say the two countries are moving toward a real war. Do you think the two countries have the courage and the wisdom to get out of this?
总之，在农村小学的作文教学中，作为教师必须有效地去引导，大胆地实践。要不断更新教学理念，充分结合农村学生的实际情况，不断丰富和完善农村小学作文写作教学的方式方法，注重他们的自由表达，注重他们的素材积累，注重他们的吸收借鉴，不断提高学生的写作兴趣和写作能力。相信总有一天学生会爱上写作文。
What worries me is when people talk about strategic adversaries, they’re thinking only about the negative side, but I think we have to get people to also think about the positive side at the same time. That’s why I suggest using a name like strategic cooperation or cooperative rivalry as a way to make sure that we focus on both aspects of the relationship.
With climate change, financial stability or pandemics, for example, there is no way the U.S. can solve these problems without working with China. And there is no way China can solve these problems without working with the U.S. So as we continue to think about this, we have to say yes, there will be tension, but there also has to be cooperation.
Given President Trump’s “America First”policy and the U.S. withdrawal from international agreements, what is your assessment of U.S. soft power over the last two years?
I don’t think China and the U.S. are destined for war. I don’t think we’re even destined for a cold war. If you think back on the Cold War between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, you have to realize that there was almost no trade or social relations between the two. With China, we obviously have massive trade. And we have 370,000 Chinese students in the U.S., and millions of tourists going in both directions. This is not like the Cold War. And we should not use the language of cold war. I call it a cooperative rivalry because I want people to realize that even when there is rivalry, there can be cooperation. It is essential that we manage the U.S.-China relationship to have the cooperation part.
Chinese students take a selfie at Columbia University’s graduation ceremony on May 20, 2015
机关党员干部尤其是青年干部抽出一定时间有组织、有计划地到偏远农村去与广大农民群众“同吃、同住、同劳动”，是他们察民情、知民生、解民忧的重要途径，也是他们了解国情、走进民心、联系农民的必由之路。对于中国这样一个农业大国来说，只有进农家门，知农家情，才有助于广大机关党员干部与农民群众真正“想在一起、干在一起”，有助于机关党员干部不忘初心，牢记使命，用心走好群众路线，用情站稳人民立场，自觉永葆政治本色，忠实践行根本宗旨，始终植根于人民群众这片沃土，做称职的人民公仆，不断夯实我们党在农村执政的群众基础。
I think President Trump is definitely weakening U.S. soft power and you can see this in public opinion polls. When you have a slogan like “America First,” it makes everyone else feel like they come in second. It may be a good slogan for U.S. domestic opinion, but it’s a very bad slogan for international opinion, and so I think you could say that Trump has weakened U.S. soft power. There’s a London consultancy firm named Portland Communications that indexes what it calls the Soft Power 30, and the U.S. ranked first among the top 30 countries a couple of years ago. Since Trump’s election, it has fallen to third or fourth place.
What do you think of President Xi Jinping’s concept of building a community of a shared future for humanity?
2.3 急性缺血性脑卒中相关性分析 脂蛋白相关磷脂酶A2、D-二聚体水平、高血压病史与急性脑卒中发生呈明显正相关(r=0.491、0.209、0.243，P<0.01)；高密度脂蛋白水平与急性脑卒中发生呈负相关(r=-0.178，P<0.01)。
Well, I think that is a very good concept because if you just take again the issue of climate change, President Trump made a big mistake withdrawing the U.S. from the Paris Agreement, but climate change doesn’t obey the laws of politics against the law of physics. And over time, climate change is going to damage both China and the U.S., and it’s essential that we find ways to cooperate with each other and with other countries. I think President Xi’s slogan is a way of illustrating that type of cooperation. It’s something which is going to be essential for all mankind. I sometimes say that we have to learn, not about power over others, but about power with others.
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